Curse

filter · Jun 23, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Discord Minion Master (PvE)

16 Death, 13 SR, 4 Curses

Rotting Flesh
Parasitic Bond/Shadow of Fear
Discord* (79 damage at 16 Death, 5en/1cast/2recharge)
Animate Bone Fiend
Blood of the Master
Open
Open
Open/Rez

gabrial heart · Jun 23, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Wow you're going to sacrifice animate flesh golem for discord? The damage output from a golem is way higher then a spam of discord. If you want to do more dmg with an mm, death nova a low life minion or put it on a dying golem then use animate golem to kill him instantly

85++ damage or so plus poison for 15 seconds, spread out over adjacent foes is a pretty fine way to blow up a group. Another way, although you have to be close to an enemy, is use dark aura and spam BotM

waiver · Jun 23, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Yeah, if you're going to sacrefice a minion, at least death nova him.

Pick Me · Jun 23, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

First off people, this is not a Minion Bomber build.

Drop Shadow of Fear, keep Parasitic Bond. Why? Its spamable, cheap, and if removed, you get health.

Drop Animate Bone Fiend, use Animate Bone Minion. Its cheaper and you get two. Use Death Nova (for the poison it does).

Get Necrotic Transfersal (foes around you get poisoned)

Get Rising Bile (damage after the duration ends - hex spell)

Gaze of Contempt - teach those CoPs a leason in hexes & conditions, drops Booners by removing all enchantments, then hit them with conditions and hexes and then discord.

Get yourself something that reduces recharge time (so you can gaze over and over again, though the cost is high, foe must have 50% or more of max health)

gabrial heart · Jun 23, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

First off people, this is not a Minion Bomber build.

Drop Shadow of Fear, keep Parasitic Bond. Why? Its spamable, cheap, and if removed, you get health.

Drop Animate Bone Fiend, use Animate Bone Minion. Its cheaper and you get two. Use Death Nova (for the poison it does).

Get Necrotic Transfersal (foes around you get poisoned)

Get Rising Bile (damage after the duration ends - hex spell)

Gaze of Contempt - teach those CoPs a leason in hexes & conditions, drops Booners by removing all enchantments, then hit them with conditions and hexes and then discord.

Get yourself something that reduces recharge time (so you can gaze over and over again, though the cost is high, foe must have 50% or more of max health)

Gaze of contempt? Is that Jundice gaze in brittian or something? Mine as well spam vamp gaze for the always steal 63 health without the sac. hear, here on parasitic bond, nice spammable cover hex!

Pick Me · Jun 23, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Gaze of contempt? Is that Jundice gaze in brittian or something? Mine as well spam vamp gaze for the always steal 63 health without the sac. hear, here on parasitic bond, nice spammable cover hex!

Gaze of Contempt - E15/CT2/RT20 No Attribute

If target foe has more than 50% health, that foe loses all Enchantments.

Does this sound like a British form of Jaundiced Gaze?

This is listed on the Skills Listing on this web-site. So I'm not making this spell up.

You can't really spam Vampiric Gaze, RT5, E10. To expesive and you have to wait for it to recharge.

You are almost better off with Enfeeblement + Insidious Parasite (condition + hex) to give you more health.

Kuja · Jun 23, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Discord may be a sleeper skill, im not too sure of its use in an MM build but i like the idea

Dark Tykane · Jun 23, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Wow you're going to sacrifice animate flesh golem for discord? The damage output from a golem is way higher then a spam of discord. If you want to do more dmg with an mm, death nova a low life minion or put it on a dying golem then use animate golem to kill him instantly

85++ damage or so plus poison for 15 seconds, spread out over adjacent foes is a pretty fine way to blow up a group. Another way, although you have to be close to an enemy, is use dark aura and spam BotM

Your pure stupidity makes me angry.....
Flesh golem can hit a warrior for 20 or so dmg and it takes him forever to hit. Discord can hit anything for 70 or so and you can do it over and over and over.....
If your so bent on killing the minions off I would at least do it for energy not death nova. Taste of death: 5 energy and you get back 13 energy. More than enough to echo discord and go to town on some unsuspecting warrior.

Pick Me · Jun 23, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

Your pure stupidity makes me angry.....
Flesh golem can hit a warrior for 20 or so dmg and it takes him forever to hit. Discord can hit anything for 70 or so and you can do it over and over and over.....
If your so bent on killing the minions off I would at least do it for energy not death nova. Taste of death: 5 energy and you get back 13 energy. More than enough to echo discord and go to town on some unsuspecting warrior.

Again, this is not a minion bomber build. If it was Filter wouldn't have BotM in it. So Taste of Death isn't useful (except for emergency health).

With a 2 second recharge, you don't need to Archane Echo it (Echo is an elite).

Just watchout for CoP.

gabrial heart · Jun 23, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Gaze of Contempt - E15/CT2/RT20 No Attribute

If target foe has more than 50% health, that foe loses all Enchantments.

Does this sound like a British form of Jaundiced Gaze?

This is listed on the Skills Listing on this web-site. So I'm not making this spell up.

You can't really spam Vampiric Gaze, RT5, E10. To expesive and you have to wait for it to recharge.

You are almost better off with Enfeeblement + Insidious Parasite (condition + hex) to give you more health.

Ahhh, forgot about that one, better recharge then rend, but more e, meh. Rather use the mesmer side for ench removal. Or a well of profane

I'm siting here and forgot what we were even discussing exactly. Insidious sucks on casters... rather use enfeeble with oppressive gaze, then it doesn't matter. Or were we talking FoC? eek...

Dr Ripley · Jun 23, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Already on wiki:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/N/any_Discord_Master

I've been using this in Alliance battles for a bit now. Our guild team usually consists of two blood spikers (using Life Transfer as the elite), an MM, and a boon prot. As the MM, I thought I'd be clever and spike alongside the blood spikers using Discord before bringing up the minions. Works alright I guess, but I find myself focusing too much (energywise) on the spike instead of the minions sometimes...

Pick Me · Jun 23, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Ahhh, forgot about that one, better recharge then rend, but more e, meh. Rather use the mesmer side for ench removal. Or a well of profane

I'm siting here and forgot what we were even discussing exactly. Insidious sucks on casters... rather use enfeeble with oppressive gaze, then it doesn't matter. Or were we talking FoC? eek...

The whole thread is around the use of Discord (e).

It requires a hex and a condition. That is why we must get rid of enchantments, else CoP will clear hexes and conditions, thus, no Discord.

gabrial heart · Jun 23, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

Your pure stupidity makes me angry.....
Flesh golem can hit a warrior for 20 or so dmg and it takes him forever to hit. Discord can hit anything for 70 or so and you can do it over and over and over.....
If your so bent on killing the minions off I would at least do it for energy not death nova. Taste of death: 5 energy and you get back 13 energy. More than enough to echo discord and go to town on some unsuspecting warrior.

Energy really should be a problem for an mm, so I'm not sure what your getting at. You dont get e with taste of death either, unless your talking + soul reaping, which your going to get back without the investment anyway.

discord requires a condition or hex I believe and it your going to hex someone up and nuke then you might want to go FoC, but we are talking death here so...

If your going on about mm's in pvp or ab, then they are almost pointless with veratice gaze or aura. I took it on my monk back during the preview weekend and used gaze and ran away, which resulted in the death of the mm rather quickly, kinda funny. Flesh golems at max level (27) do about 20-50 max against warriors and about 30-70 max against casters typically and they attack once ever 1.5 seconds at no energy cost to you, so I'm not sure how this build would be better. This build doesn't even include vert sacrifice, so it's doesn't seem to be about the longevity of the minions anyway. Hell bitter chill after a sac or 2 against a warrior would be a better spam, 2 of those in 2 second @ 10 e is about 90 without having to toss up a condtion/hex or use the elite slot.

I didn't think it was a worthless build basis to begin with, still think discord isn't anywhere as good a FoC... so I'm not sure where the stupidity comment/anger reply came from *shrug*.

Pick Me · Jun 23, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Energy really should be a problem for an mm, so I'm not sure what your getting at. You dont get e with taste of death either, unless your talking + soul reaping, which your going to get back without the investment anyway.

discord requires a condition or hex I believe and it your going to hex someone up and nuke then you might want to go FoC, but we are talking death here so...

If your going on about mm's in pvp or ab, then they are almost pointless with veratice gaze or aura. I took it on my monk back during the preview weekend and used gaze and ran away, which resulted in the death of the mm rather quickly, kinda funny. Flesh golems at max level (27) do about 20-50 max against warriors and about 30-70 max against casters typically and they attack once ever 1.5 seconds at no energy cost to you, so I'm not sure how this build would be better. This build doesn't even include vert sacrifice, so it's doesn't seem to be about the longevity of the minions anyway. Hell bitter chill after a sac or 2 against a warrior would be a better spam, 2 of those in 2 second @ 10 e is about 90 without having to toss up a condtion/hex or use the elite slot.

I didn't think it was a worthless build basis to begin with, still think discord isn't anywhere as good a FoC... so I'm not sure where the stupidity comment/anger reply came from *shrug*.

I think what Dark Tykane was saying was the damage per hit is higher for Discord than a hit from a Flesh Golem (they do hit slowly).

Discord requires both a condition and a hex. The fact that FoC costs 10E, has a cast time of 2, recharges 20 does not make it truly better. Discord is quicker to cast, a lot quicker to recharge and costs only 5 E.

While FoC does more damage (if there are adjacent foes) in 1 shot, plus it steals life, over time, Discord out shines it.

But I agree, Dark Tykane was harsh in the comments.

gabrial heart · Jun 23, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

The whole thread is around the use of Discord (e).

It requires a hex and a condition. That is why we must get rid of enchantments, else CoP will clear hexes and conditions, thus, no Discord.

Yeah, I haven't found a good use of Disord either. CoP you can only use on yourself (as a monk) and only removes one hex one condition one ench and are wammos running CoP now? hmmm Usually you need a decent amount of hexes and/or condtions to make any spike based on them viable (like FoC). Most warriors are running some kind of ench or have one put on them by a monk, so you could just slap on a condtion or multiple conditions for the spike (which isn't even that great of a spike anyway). I dunno, discord's just not that great is it?

gabrial heart · Jun 23, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

I think what Dark Tykane was saying was the damage per hit is higher for Discord than a hit from a Flesh Golem (they do hit slowly).

Discord requires both a condition and a hex. The fact that FoC costs 10E, has a cast time of 2, recharges 20 does not make it truly better. Discord is quicker to cast, a lot quicker to recharge and costs only 5 E.

While FoC does more damage (if there are adjacent foes) in 1 shot, plus it steals life, over time, Discord out shines it.

But I agree, Dark Tykane was harsh in the comments.

Yeah it probable does more dmg, I'm not sure of the specs. Although a flesh golem would last quite a bit longer then the same amount of e spent for 3 Discords and deal more damage over time, top it of with death nova and you'd have one hell of a spike (think it's 105 @ 16 death). Other then MM's maybe we could come up with a good death build that doesn't utilize the minnion side and focuses on the use of discord, but i'm not so sure this build is that strong as it stands.

Still for AB's going mm is kinda silly IMHO, it's just so easy to turn the tides on an mm, great for Pve though!

Pick Me · Jun 23, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Yeah it probable does more dmg, I'm not sure of the specs. Although a flesh golem would last quite a bit longer then the same amount of e spent for 3 Discords and deal more damage over time, top it of with death nova and you'd have one hell of a spike (think it's 105 @ 16 death). Other then MM's maybe we could come up with a good death build that doesn't utilize the minnion side and focuses on the use of discord, but i'm not so sure this build is that strong as it stands.

Still for AB's going mm is kinda silly IMHO, it's just so easy to turn the tides on an mm, great for Pve though!

If a build is based on Discord, you can't substitute it with another elite.

Obviously this build as it stands is far from being at its best. If you don't use all of your slots, then you are shorting your build.

Since the stats are 16 Death, 13 Soul Reaping, 4 Curses, I would suggest that the other spots should be:

Phantom Pain (Illusion, 0)
Signet of Agony (Blood, 0)
Chill Baines (Curse, 4)
Fragility (Illusion, 0)
Enfeeble (Curse, 4)
Verata's Sacrifice (Death, 16)
Soul Feast (Death, 16)

Use these to fill in your skill bar. Phantom Pain, a hex, turns into a condition, used as a cover hex. Signet of Agony (minor damage, use plague touch and send bleeding to your target), Chill Baines (see signet of agony), Fragility (does damage on each condition received and cured), Enfeeble (another condition source), Verata's Sacrifice (to keep your fiend healthy), Soul Feast (to keep you healthy).

Dr Ripley · Jun 23, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

If a build is based on Discord, you can't substitute it with another elite.

Obviously this build as it stands is far from being at its best. If you don't use all of your slots, then you are shorting your build.

Since the stats are 16 Death, 13 Soul Reaping, 4 Curses, I would suggest that the other spots should be:

Phantom Pain (Illusion, 0)
Signet of Agony (Blood, 0)
Chill Baines (Curse, 4)
Fragility (Illusion, 0)
Enfeeble (Curse, 4)
Verata's Sacrifice (Death, 16)
Soul Feast (Death, 16)

Use these to fill in your skill bar. Phantom Pain, a hex, turns into a condition, used as a cover hex. Signet of Agony (minor damage, use plague touch and send bleeding to your target), Chill Baines (see signet of agony), Fragility (does damage on each condition received and cured), Enfeeble (another condition source), Verata's Sacrifice (to keep your fiend healthy), Soul Feast (to keep you healthy).

Which 'fiend' are you referring to? (not seeing any animate skills at all). Might as well bring Verata's Aura instead.

Dark Tykane · Jun 23, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

I think what Dark Tykane was saying was the damage per hit is higher for Discord than a hit from a Flesh Golem (they do hit slowly).

Discord requires both a condition and a hex. The fact that FoC costs 10E, has a cast time of 2, recharges 20 does not make it truly better. Discord is quicker to cast, a lot quicker to recharge and costs only 5 E.

While FoC does more damage (if there are adjacent foes) in 1 shot, plus it steals life, over time, Discord out shines it.

But I agree, Dark Tykane was harsh in the comments.

Yes, Yes, sorry I really shouldn't get on guru before noon any more

sorry I was cranky and I take it back about the pure stupidity.
I wasn't saying that you should eat your minions either I just said that if you had to that I'd rather eat them for the health and the sould reaping...at the same time i was saying that it would give you a lot of energy to really spam discord as fast as you want if you did kill a minion.

I think this build works great if you play it just as a minion master would only instead of having something like deathly swarm you use discord.

filter · Jun 25, 2006, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

I think this build works great if you play it just as a minion master would only instead of having something like deathly swarm you use discord.

Exactly. Play it like a normal MM. I find myself with loads of excess time and energy in PvE, this can be channeled into Discord spam, which is much more effective than Deathly Swarm.

Discord also helps alot in the initial period before the first corpse.